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Narog
Narog
Narog
Narog
narog
place name. Narog
A river in Beleriand (S/120), an adaptation of its Khuzdul name narâg meaning “black” (PE17/37).
Conceptual Development: The name ᴱN. Narog first appeared in a marginal note in the earliest Lost Tales (LT2/244, note #15), and was translated “Torrent” in the Lays of Beleriand from the 1920s (LB/61). The adjective ᴱN. narog “violent (of water, rain, etc.), torrential” appeared in Early Noldorin word list from this same period (PE13/150).
In The Etymologies from the 1930s, N. Narog was derived from primitive ᴹ✶narāka “rushing, rapid, violent”, similar to its earlier meaning (Ety/NÁRAK). Its derivation from Khuzdul appeared in Tolkien’s Words, Phrases and Passages from the Lord of the Rings from the late 1950s or early 1960s (PE17/37). Elsewhere in these notes he considered deriving it from (untranslated) Kh. naruka instead (PE17/47).
Derivations
- Kh. narâg “black” ✧ PE17/037; PE17/047
Element in
- S. Nargothrond “*Underground Fortress of Narog” ✧ Let/282; PE17/047; S/114; SA/os(t); WJ/414
Phonetic Developments
Development Stages Sources Kh. Narâg > Narog [narāka] > [narǭka] > [narauka] > [narauk] > [naraug] > [narog] ✧ PE17/037 Kh. naruka > Narog [naruka] > [naroka] > [narok] > [narog] ✧ PE17/047
thalos
place name. Torrent
One of the seven streams from which Ossiriand got its name (S/123), and is simply thalos “torrent” used as a name (Ety/STAL). Given the river’s location in Ossiriand, this name might be Nandorin instead.
Conceptual Development: In The Etymologies from the 1930s, the name Thalos was designated Ilkorin, with the derivation given above (Ety/STAL). Like many of the river names in Ossiriand, Tolkien did not give a new etymology of the name after he abandoned the Ilkorin language.
Elements
Word Gloss thalos “torrent”
Narog
Narog
In the Etymologies, the river's name was stated to mean "rushing, violent". However, in a later writing by Tolkien, the Sindarin name Narog was given two possible Khuzdul origins: Narâg and naruka, both of unknown meaning. In Eriol's Old English translations, Narog is referred as Hlyda "Loudy". The Elves of Nargothrond were named Hlydingas.
thalos Speculative
noun. torrent
Element in
- S. Thalos “Torrent”
thorod
torrent
pl. theryd (archaic thöryd).
oll
torrent
1) oll (mountain steam), pl. yll. (The source also cites the archaic form old.) 2) thorod, pl. theryd (archaic thöryd).
oll
torrent
(mountain steam), pl. yll. (The source also cites the archaic form old.)
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