Primitive elvish

thin

root. *grey

Tolkien introduced the (unglossed) root ᴹ√THIN in The Etymologies of the 1930s with derivatives like ᴹQ. sinde/N. thinn “grey, pale” and ᴹQ. sinta-/N. †thinna- “fade” (Ety/THIN). In this document it was the basis for the name Ilk. Thingol; in earlier writings from the 1920s the name ᴱN. Thingol was based on the word ᴱN. thing “prince” (PE13/154). The root √THIN or √ΘIN was mentioned a couple times in Tolkien’s later writings as the basis for “grey” words (PE17/72; WJ/384). In a note from the mid-1960s Tolkien considered making the root √STIN the basis for “grey”, as a privative formation = √S-TIN = “without sparkling” (PE17/184), but I think this was a transient idea.

Primitive elvish [PE17/072; PE17/188; WJ/384] Group: Eldamo. Published by

thindi

adjective. grey

Primitive elvish [PE17/140; PE17/141; PE21/81; WJ/384] Group: Eldamo. Published by

thindā

adjective. grey

Primitive elvish [PE17/072; PE17/141; PE21/81] Group: Eldamo. Published by

thini

adjective. grey

stin

root. grey

Primitive elvish [PE17/184; PE17/186] Group: Eldamo. Published by

nakh

root. narrow, thin

A root appearing in etymological notes from around 1964 (DD) glossed “narrow, thin” along with a set of Quenya derivatives of similar meaning (PE17/166).

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dene

adjective. thin and strong, pliant, lithe

Primitive elvish [WJ/412] Group: Eldamo. Published by

spini-

noun. thin thread

Primitive elvish [PE17/017] Group: Eldamo. Published by

mith

root. grey

Tolkien introduced the root ᴹ√MITH in The Etymologies of the 1930s as a blending of ᴹ√MIS “✱wet” and ᴹ√KHITH “mist, fog”, with the derivative N. mith “white fog, wet mist” as in N. Mithrim “✱Mist Lake” (Ety/MITH, RINGI; EtyAC/MITH). As a later addition to this entry Tolkien wrote the adjective N. mith “grey”, and that was the more common use of this word in Tolkien’s later writings. In a 1955 letter to David Masson Tolkien specified that “usage suggests that MIÞ- is paler and whiter, a luminous grey” (PE17/72).

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mītha

adjective. *grey

Primitive elvish [PE17/140] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Sindarin 

thin

adjective. grey

adj. grey. Q. sinda. >> thind, Thingol, thinn

Sindarin [(PE17 Sindarin Corpus) PE17:72:112] < _þindā_ grey. Group: Parma Eldalamberon 17 Sindarin Corpus. Published by

thind

adjective. grey

adj. grey. Q. sinda. >> thin, Thingol, thinn

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thinn

adjective. grey

adj. grey. Q. sinda. >> thin, thind, Thingol

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thind

adjective. grey, grey, [N.] pale

if from þindā, why no a-affection? @@@

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thind

adjective. grey

_ adj. _grey. Obsolete except in names as Thingol. >> hithren

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thind

adjective. grey, pale

Sindarin [Ety/392, S/438] Group: SINDICT. Published by

thinn

adjective. grey

_adj. _grey. Q. sinde.

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thinn

adjective. grey

esbin

noun. thin thread

n. thin thread.

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esbin

noun. thin thread, tress

A word for “thin thread” derived from the root √SPIN- in notes from the mid-1960s (PE17/17). In Notes on Names (NN) from 1957 this word was glossed “a tress” (PE17/119), but for purposes of Neo-Sindarin I’d stick to the “thread” meaning.

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thîn

evening

†*thîn (no distinct pl. form; coll. pl. thíniath). The form cited in LR:392 s.v. __ is not marked as containing a long vowel (“thin”).

thîn

evening

(no distinct pl. form; coll. pl. thíniath). The form cited in LR:392 s.v. THIN is not marked as containing a long vowel (“thin”).

thind

grey

(pale); no distinct pl. form.

thinna

grow toward evening

(fade).

lhain

adjective. lean, thin, meagre

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lhain

thin

(lean, meager), lenited ?thlain or ?lain (the lenition product of lh is uncertain), pl. lîn. Suggested Sindarin form of ”Noldorin” thlein, corresponding to archaic Sindarin ✱lhein, later ✱lhain.

nind

thin

  1. nind (slender, fragile); no distinct pl. form. 2) *lhain (lean, meager), lenited ?thlain or ?lain (the lenition product of lh is uncertain), pl. lîn. Suggested Sindarin form of ”Noldorin” thlein*, corresponding to archaic Sindarin lhein**, later *lhain.

nind

thin

(slender, fragile); no distinct pl. form.

taen

thin

(lenited daen, no distinct pl. form). Note: a homophone means ”height, summit of high mountain”.

lann

noun. thin cloth, tissue

A neologism for “thin cloth, tissue” coined by Fiona Jallings (FJNS/346), cognate to ᴹQ. lanne of the same meaning (Ety/LAN).

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lhain

adjective. lean, thin, meagre

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taen

long (and thin)

taen (lenited daen, no distinct pl. form). Note: a homophone means ”height, summit of high mountain”.

taen

long (and thin)

taen (lenited daen, no distinct pl. form). Note: a homophone means ”height, summit of high mountain”.

hithren

adjective. grey

_ adj. _grey. >> thind

Sindarin [(PE17 Sindarin Corpus) PE17:140] -. Group: Parma Eldalamberon 17 Sindarin Corpus. Published by

mithren

grey

  1. *mithren (lenited vithren, pl. mithrin). 2) thind (pale); no distinct pl. form. 3) (pale grey) mith (lenited vith; no distinct pl. form). David Salo would read mîth with a long vowel. Note: a homophone means ”white fog, wet mist”.

tinnu

starlit evening

(i** dinnu, o thinnu) (dusk, twilight, early night without a moon), pl. tinny (i** thynny) if there is a pl. Verb

aduial

noun. the evening, time of star-opening, "evendim"

Sindarin [LotR/D] ad + uial "second twilight". Group: SINDICT. Published by

hithren

adjective. grey

Sindarin [PE17/140] Group: Eldamo. Published by

mith

adjective. (pale) grey

Sindarin [Ety/373, S/434, TC/187] Group: SINDICT. Published by

mith

grey

adj. grey, light grey. >> Mithrandir, mithril

Sindarin [(PE17 Sindarin Corpus) PE17:47:60:140] -. Group: Parma Eldalamberon 17 Sindarin Corpus. Published by

mithren

adjective. grey

Sindarin [UT/436] Group: SINDICT. Published by

mithren

adjective. grey

Sindarin [LotR/1064; PE17/140] Group: Eldamo. Published by

dû

late evening

(i dhû) (night, nightfall, darkness), pl. dui (i nui) (SD:302).

mith

grey

(lenited vith; no distinct pl. form). David Salo would read mîth with a long vowel. Note: a homophone means ”white fog, wet mist”.

mithren

grey

(lenited vithren, pl. mithrin).

thiv-

verb. to skim

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Noldorin 

thlein

adjective. lean, thin, meagre

The Etymologies of the 1930s had N. {thlîn &gt;&gt;} thlein derived from ᴹ✶slinyā “lean, thin, meagre” under the root ᴹ√SLIN (Ety/SLIN) with the initial *sl* becoming *thl* as was generally the case in Noldorin of the 1930s.

Neo-Sindarin: In Sindarin of the 1950s and 60s, initial *sl* became voiceless *lh* and *ei* became *ai* in final syllables, so I would adapt this word as ᴺS. lhain as suggested in HSD (HSD).

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thlein

adjective. lean, thin, meagre

Noldorin [Ety/386, X/LH] Group: SINDICT. Published by

then

pronoun. this

thîn Archaic

noun. evening

Noldorin [Ety/THIN; EtyAC/THIN] Group: Eldamo. Published by

thind

adjective. grey, pale

Noldorin [Ety/392, S/438] Group: SINDICT. Published by

thinn

adjective. grey, pale

Noldorin [Ety/392, S/438] Group: SINDICT. Published by

thîn

noun. evening

Noldorin [Ety/392, VT/46:18] Group: SINDICT. Published by

celebrimbor o eregion teithant i thíw thin

Celebrimbor of Hollin drew these signs

taen

adjective. long (and thin)

An adjective in The Etymologies of the 1930s glossed “long (and thin)” derived from the root ᴹ√TAY “extend, make long(er)” (Ety/TAY).

taen

adjective. long (and thin)

Noldorin [Ety/391] Group: SINDICT. Published by

gwîn

noun. evening

Noldorin [Ety/WIN; EtyAC/WIN] Group: Eldamo. Published by

mid

adjective. grey

Noldorin [AotH/056] Group: Eldamo. Published by

mith

adjective. (pale) grey

Noldorin [Ety/373, S/434, TC/187] Group: SINDICT. Published by

mith

adjective. grey

Noldorin [Ety/MITH] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Quenya 

lenwa

long and thin, straight, narrow

lenwa adj. "long and thin, straight, narrow" (LT2:341)

náha

adjective. narrow, narrow, *thin

An adjective for “narrow” in 1964 notes on Dalath Dirnen (DD) derived from √NAKH “narrow, thin” (PE17/166).

Neo-Quenya: For purposes of Neo-Quenya, I would assume this adjective can also mean “✱thin” of things given the meaning of its root. Compare also fimbë “slender, ✱thin”.

fimbas

noun. pancake, (lit.) thin-cake

A neologism for “pancake” coined by Máyalótë posted on 2026-04-15 in the Vinyë Lambengolmor Discord Server (VLDS), a combination of √PHIM “thin” and masta “cake”.

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hlinya

adjective. lean, thin, meagre

Boris Shapiro proposed the neologism ᴺQ. linya in PPQ (PPQ) from the early 2000s, derived from ᴹ✶slinyā and inspired by N. thlein “lean, thin, meagre”. Since initial *sl* generally became *hl* in Quenya, I would update this to ᴺQ. hlinya.

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sinda

adjective. grey

The best known Quenya word for “grey” and an element in a number of names. It is also used as a noun Sinda “Grey Elf”. Tolkien sometimes used a variant form sindë for “grey” (WJ/384; PE17/141; Ety/THIN); see that entry for details.

Quenya [PE17/072; PE17/117; PE21/77; SA/thin(d)] Group: Eldamo. Published by

linya

adjective. lean, thin, meagre

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pirin

noun. thin rod, pin

sinda

grey

sinda (þ) adj. "grey" (PE17:72); nominal pl. Sindar used = "Grey-elves", lit. *"Grey ones"; see WJ:375. Gen. pl. Sindaron in WJ:369. With general meaning "grey" also in Sindacollo > Singollo "Grey-cloak, Thingol" (SA:thin(d), PE17:72; see also sindë, Sindicollo);†sindanórië "grey land", ablative sindanóriello "from/out of a grey country" (Nam); the reference is to a "mythical region of shadows lying at outer feet of the Mountains of Valinor" (PE17:72). However, other sources give sindë (q.v.) as the Quenya word for "grey"; perhaps sinda came to mean primarily "Grey-elf" as a noun. Derived adjective Sindarin "Grey-elven", normally used as a noun to refer to the Grey-elven language. (Appendix F)

sindë

grey, pale or silvery grey

sindë (þ) adj. "grey, pale or silvery grey" (the Vanyarin dialect preserves the older form þindë) (WJ:384, THIN; in SA:thin(d) the form given is sinda, cf. also sindanóriello "from a grey country" in Namárië. Sindë and sinda_ are apparently variants of the same word.) _Stem sindi-, given the primitive form ¤thindi; cf. Sindicollo (q.v.)

sinyë

evening

sinyë (þ) noun "evening" (THIN)

hiswa

grey

hiswa (þ) adj. "grey" (KHIS/KHITH, Narqelion)

mista

grey

mista adj. "grey"; see lassemista

mista

adjective. grey

mísë

grey

mísë (þ, cf. Sindarin mith-) adj. "grey" (used as noun of grey clothes in the phrase mi mísë of someone clad "in grey"). The underlying stem refers a paler or whiter "grey" than sinda, making mísë "a luminous grey" (PE17:71-72)

vinyë

evening

[vinyë noun "evening" (VT46:21)]


Beware, older languages below! The languages below were invented during Tolkien's earlier period and should be used with caution. Remember to never, ever mix words from different languages!

Middle Primitive Elvish

thin

root. *grey

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tin

root. sparkle, emit slender (silver pale) beams

Middle Primitive Elvish [Ety/DOMO; Ety/PEL(ES); Ety/SEL-D; Ety/TĀ; Ety/THIN; Ety/TIN; EtyAC/GIL; EtyAC/STIN; EtyAC/YEL] Group: Eldamo. Published by

nindi

root. fragile, thin

A root in The Etymologies of the 1930s glossed “fragile, thin” with derivatives like ᴹQ. ninde/N. ninn “slender” (Ety/NIN-DI), replacing deleted ᴹ√NIN-DA “blue” (EtyAC/NIN-DI) which was probably a later manifestation of ᴱ√NINI “✱blue” from the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s (QL/66). ᴱ√NINI had derivatives in both Qenya and Gnomish in the 1910s, but there are no signs of nin- as “blue” in Tolkien’s later writing.

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slinyā

adjective. lean, thin, meagre

Middle Primitive Elvish [Ety/SLIN] Group: Eldamo. Published by

winyē

noun. evening

Middle Primitive Elvish [Ety/WIN; EtyAC/WIN] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Doriathrin

thind

adjective. grey

An adjective for “grey” derived from primitive ᴹ✶thindi (Ety/THIN) because primitive final vowels vanished in Ilkorin.

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gwine

noun. evening

A noun for “evening” derived from primitive ᴹ✶winyā [winjā], but it was rejected along with its root ᴹ√WIN (Ety/WIN). It is the clearest example of the Ilkorin phonetic development whereby [[ilk|final [j] became [i]]] and then became [e], since Tolkien indicated the intermediate forms before rejecting the word.

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hedhu

adjective. grey

A Doriathrin adjective for “grey” written heðu in The Etymologies, and derived from the primitive form ᴹ✶khithwa [kʰitʰwa] (Ety/KHIS). This word illustrates several interesting phonetic changes in Ilkorin.

  • The [[ilk|[i] became [e] before the final [a]]].

  • Both the aspirates became voiceless spirants: [kʰ-] &gt; [x-] and [-tʰ-] &gt; [-θ-].

  • Later the [[ilk|initial [x-] became [h-]]].

  • Meanwhile the [[ilk|medial [-θ-] voiced to [-ð-]]] (“dh”).

  • The [[ilk|primitive final [a] was lost]].

  • Afterwards, the resulting [[ilk|final [w] became [u]]].

In most other Doriathrin words, a [[ilk|final [u] from [w] further developed into [o]]]; it is unclear why this change did not occur here.

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Gnomish

thin-

verb. to skim

A word appearing as G. thin- “skim” in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s along with a variant thinta-, both clearly related to the noun G. thim “milk, after separation” (GL/71-72).

Neo-Sindarin: These 1910s verbs conflict with the later root √THIN “grey” and the verb [N.] thinna- “fade” from ON. thintha-. As such, I adapt this verb as ᴺS. thiv- “to skim” based on a Neo-Root ᴺ√THIM which I used to justify the retention of ᴺS. thim for “milk”.

thinta-

verb. to skim

glen(n)

adjective. thin, fine, slender

An adjective appearing as glen “slender” in the Gnomish Grammar of the 1910s (GG/11). In the contemporaneous Gnomish Lexicon it appeared as G. {glen &gt;&gt;} glenn “thin, fine” and was related to G. lenc and ᴱQ. léni (GL/39). It was thus derived from the early root ᴱ√LENE “long” as suggested by Christopher Tolkien (QL/53; LT2A/Glend).

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crinc

noun/adjective. bent and thin; crescent

An adjective in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s glossed “bent and thin”, also serving as a noun “crescent” (GL/27), perhaps based on the early root ᴱ√KṚKṚ (QL/48).

mathwen

noun. evening

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musc

adjective. grey

Early Quenya

pinqe

adjective. slender, thin

An adjective in the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s glossed “slender, thin” derived from the early root ᴱ√PIKI or ᴱ√PINI (QL/73).

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filwa

adjective. thin, lean

An adjective appearing as filwa or filima “thin, lean” under the early root ᴱ√FILI “fine, thin” (QL/38).

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kolosilde

noun. long thin point

A word in the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s glossed “long thin point” under the early root ᴱ√KOLO (QL/47). Its second element is likely a variant of ᴱQ. sild(r)a “slender” (QL/84). The contemporaneous Poetic and Mythological Words of Eldarissa also had kolosilde but without a gloss (PME/47).

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kolwa

adjective. narrow, thin

An adjective in the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s glossed “narrow, thin” under the early root ᴱ√KOLO “to strain through” (QL/47).

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lenwa

adjective. long and thin, straight, narrow

An adjective in the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s glossed “long and thin, straight, narrow” under the early root ᴱ√LENE “long” (QL/53).

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pirin

noun. thin rod, pin

A word appearing as ᴱQ. pirin (pirind-) “thin rod, pin” in the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s under the early root ᴱ√PIRI having to do with cylinders and spinning (QL/74).

Neo-Quenya: In 1959 Tolkien gave a new meaning to the root √PIR as “close eyes, blink, wink” (PE17/146), but I believe this was a transient idea; see that entry for details. As such, I use the Neo-Root ᴺ√PIR with its earlier meaning “cylinder” and would use this to salvage ᴺQ. pirin “thin rod, pin”.

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tapa-

verb. to taper, stretch out (intr.), extend thin

A verb appearing as tapi- in the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s with glosses “(intr.) taper, stretch out” under the early root ᴱ√TAPA, along side a transitive variant tatya- (QL/89). It appeared as tapa- “extend thin” in Early Qenya Word-lists of the 1920s (PE16/134).

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tulwe

noun. tall thin pillar, standard, pole; banner

A noun in the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s glossed “tall thin pillar, standard, pole; banner”, under the early root ᴱ√TULU which originally meant “uphold, support, bear, carry” (QL/95).

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filima

adjective. fine, thin

san rotser simpetalla pinqe

*then pipes playing their thin music

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Qenya 

ninde

adjective. slender, slender, *thin

A word for “slender” in The Etymologies of the 1930s under the root ᴹ√NIN-DI “fragile, thin” (Ety/NIN-DI).

Neo-Quenya: For purposes of Neo-Quenya, I would also use this word for “✱thin” based on the meaning of its root.

sinye

noun. evening

hiswa

adjective. grey, grey [of weather], *foggy, overcast; [ᴱQ.] dim, fading

This word is glossed “grey” in The Etymologies, but perhaps means “✱foggy, overcast”, since Sindarin cognate hethw means “foggy, obscure, vague” and related noun hiswë means “fog”. @@@

the Archaic

pronoun. him, her, it (other)

Qenya [PE22/119; PE22/123; PE23/073; PE23/074; PE23/075; PE23/076; PE23/077; PE23/079; PE23/085; PE23/086; PE23/088; PE23/089; PE23/091; PE23/092; PE23/093; PE23/099; PE23/101; PE23/102; PE23/103] Group: Eldamo. Published by

vinye

noun. evening

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Early Primitive Elvish

fili

root. fine, thin

A root in the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s glossed “fine, thin” and having derivatives like ᴱQ. filwa “fine, thin” and ᴱQ. filqe “fern” (QL/38), the latter with a Gnomish counterpart G. fileg “fern” (GL/35). A probable “last gasp” for this root is the word ᴹQ. filet (filek-) “cobweb” from the early 1930s with a deleted gloss “fern” (PE21/33), but there are no signs of this root in Tolkien’s writing after that point.

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Early Noldorin

minedh

adjective. fine, slender, thin, small

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