Primitive elvish

ros

root. spindrift, spray, spindrift, spray; [ᴹ√] distil, drip

This root appeared in The Etymologies of the 1930s as ᴹ√ROS “distil, drip” with derivatives like ᴹQ. rosse “fine rain, dew” and N. rhoss “rain”, the latter an element in N. Celebros “Silver-rain” (Ety/ROS¹). In later versions of The Silmarillion, the name S. Celebros was translated “Foam-silver” (WJ/151), indicating a shift in meaning, though the element still meant “rain” in other later names like S. Silivros “Sparkling Rain” (MR/155) and S. Dimrost “Rainy Stair” (S/220).

Tolkien discussed this root at length in a 1968 essay labeled The Problem of Ros (PM/367-371). He indicated that by this point, the intended meaning of the root √ROS was “spindrift, spray”, but he felt this meaning was problematic due to its conflict in Sindarin with S. ross “red haired” and the similarity of the root to Latin “rōs” = “dew” (PM/368). He then launched into a lengthy discussion formulating a new theory whereby the element -ros was actually Beorian to explain its use in various Beleriandic names, only to remember at the last minute that he had also used this element in the Third Age place name S. Cair Andros “Ship of Long Foam”, rendering his alternate theories unviable (PM/371). Presumably at this point the original meaning of the root was restored.

Primitive elvish [PM/368] Group: Eldamo. Published by

ros-

verb. to rain

Primitive elvish [PE23/121; PE23/123] Group: Eldamo. Published by

rossētā-

verb. to rain

Primitive elvish [PE23/123] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Sindarin 

ross

noun. rain; spindrift, spray, foam, rain; spray, spindrift, foam

The best known Sindarin word for “rain” (MR/155; Ety/ROS¹), also used for “spindrift, spray” (PM/368) and “foam” (PE17/121), derived from the root √ROS (PM/368).

Conceptual Development: The earliest precursor to this word may be G. {nôs >>} G. noss or noth “rain” in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s (GL/60), likely derived from the early root ᴱ√NOSO or ᴱ√NOTO which had Qenya derivatives of similar meaning (QL/67). The Etymologies of the 1930s instead had N. rhoss “rain” derived from the root ᴹ√ROS “distil, drip” (Ety/ROS¹), as seen in names from this period such as N. Celebros “Silver-rain” (Ety/ROS¹; LR/140), N. Silivros “Glimmering Rain” (Ety/ROS¹; LR/210), and N. Rauros “Rush-rain, Roar-rain” (TI/285).

In later writings Tolkien began to translate S. ross as “foam”, in names like S. Cair Andros “Ship of Long Foam” (LotR/1115; PM/371), S. Elros “Star-foam” (PM/349; Let/448) and S. Celebros “Foam-silver” (WJ/151). This word and its root gave Tolkien considerable difficulty, and in a 1968 essay labeled The Problem of Ros (PM/367-371), Tolkien first gave their meaning as “spray, spindrift”, but then explored the possibility that they were instead loan words from Bëorian. However, he was forced to abandon this line of reasoning when he remembered that S. Andros “Long-foam” has appeared in The Lord of the Rings appendices as a Sindarin word.

Neo-Sindarin: For purposes of Neo-Sindarin, I would use the noun ross mainly with the sense “rain”. I would use gwing for “foam, spindrift”. However, to preserve words like Cair Andros, I would also allow the use of ross for any more or less continuous “spray of water”, such as with waterfalls as indicated by the name Rauros “Roaring Spray” (RC/327).

Sindarin [MR/155; PE17/121; PM/368; PM/371; SA/ros] Group: Eldamo. Published by

ross

noun. rain

Sindarin [Ety/384, X/RH] Group: SINDICT. Published by

Maed(h)ros

noun. Sindarized combination of Q Maitimo “well-shaped” and Russandol “copper-top”

maed (“shaply”) + ross (“copper-coloured”); [Etym. MAD-, RUS-] gives translation “pale glitter”; maedh (“pale, fellow, fawn”) + ross (“flash, glitter of metal”)

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ross

foam

(construct ros) (rain, dew, spray [of fall or fountain]), pl. ryss (idh ryss) (Letters:282). Note: homophones mean ”reddish, russet, copper-coloured, red-haired” and also ”polished metal, glitter”

ross

rain

ross (construct ros) (foam, dew, spray [of fall or fountain]), pl. ryss (idh ryss). (Letters:282) Note: homophones mean ”reddish, russet, copper-coloured, red-haired” and also ”polished metal, glitter”.

ross

rain

(construct ros) (foam, dew, spray [of fall or fountain]), pl. ryss (idh ryss). (Letters:282) Note: homophones mean ”reddish, russet, copper-coloured, red-haired” and also ”polished metal, glitter”.

gwing

noun. spindrift, flying spray

Sindarin [Ety/398, PM/392] Group: SINDICT. Published by

gwing

noun. foam (properly a flying spume or spindrift blown off wavetops)

Sindarin [Ety/398, PM/392] Group: SINDICT. Published by

minuial

noun. "morrowdim", the time near dawn, when the star fade

Sindarin [LotR/D] min+uial "first twilight". Group: SINDICT. Published by

eilia

rain

(vb.) eilia-, impersonal 3rd singular uil "it rains". (In ”Noldorin”, the impersonal form was "oeil" = öil, later eil.)

eilia

rain

impersonal 3rd singular uil "it rains". (In ”Noldorin”, the impersonal form was "oeil" = öil, later eil.)

falf

foam

(breaker), pl. felf, coll. pl. falvath

faltha

foam

(i faltha, i falthar)

gwing

foam

(i ’wing) (spindrift, spume, spray blown off wave-tops), no distinct pl. form except with article (in gwing)

gwing

spindrift

gwing (i **wing) (foam, spume, spray blown off wave-tops), no distinct pl. form except with article (in gwing**)

gwing

spindrift

(i ’wing) (foam, spume, spray blown off wave-tops), no distinct pl. form except with article (in gwing)

minuial

dawn

minuial (i vinuial) (morrowdim, twilight), pl. minuiail (i minuiail)

minuial

dawn

(i vinuial) (morrowdim, twilight), pl. minuiail (i minuiail)

tadhos

noun. hawthorn

uil-

verb. to rain

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Quenya 

rossë

noun. rain; foam, (fine) rain; [ᴹQ.] dew; *spray, shower; [Q.] foam

An element meaning “foam” (or perhaps “✱spray”) in the name Q. Elerossë “Star Foam” cognate of S. Elros in notes from the late 1960s (PM/349), or “rain” in the name of the waterfall Q. Raurossë “Roaring-rain” cognate of S. Rauros in notes probably from the 1950s (PE19/99). A form rosse “rain” appeared in Eldarin Pronouns, Demonstratives, and Correlatives (EP2) from the early 1950s (PE23/123); in context this form seems to be Primitive Eldarin, but it could be Quenya since the expected primitive form would be ✶rossē (Let/282). In The Etymologies of the 1930s, Tolkien gave ᴹQ. rosse “fine rain, dew” as a derivative of the root ᴹ√ROS “distil, drip” (Ety/ROS¹).

Neo-Quenya: For purposes of Neo-Quenya, I would assume this word means a light rain or a continuous spray of water, or the remnants of such water in the form of dew, in other words any persistent collection of small droplets of water either in the air or on the ground, for example from light rain, morning dew or falling mist off a waterfall. This seems to be in keeping with most of its attested glosses.

For more ordinary or heavier rain, I’d use ulo instead, or for a drizzle I’d use mistë, and would reserve rossë only for a light mist-like rain. For a floating mist or fog, I’d use hísë or (if thicker) hiswe. Thus of precipitation, I’d have ulo > mistë > rossë > hísë in decreasing ranks of density, where hísë “mist” is light and/or cold enough not to longer fall. But I think rossë can also refer to “already fallen” droplets in the form of dew.

Raccoon suggested this word may also have the extended meaning “shower”, as posted on 2024-05-03 in the Vinyë Lambengolmor Discord Server (VLDS), including the sense “instance of taking a shower”.

Quenya [PE19/099; PM/349] Group: Eldamo. Published by

amaurëa

dawn, early day

amaurëa noun "dawn, early day" (Markirya)

ambarónë

noun. dawn, dawn; [ᴹQ.] uprising, sunrise, Orient

Quenya [PE17/082; RC/385] Group: Eldamo. Published by

falasta-

verb. to foam

falasta- vb. "to foam", participle falastala "foaming, surging" in Markirya

ul-

verb. to rain

An impersonal verb for “rain” attested only in its future form uluva “it is going to rain, it will rain” (PE22/167). Its aorist form is probably ✱ule “[it] rains”, its past form probably ✱úle “[it] rained”, and its perfect ✱úlie “[it] has rained”; as an impersonal verb, no explicit subject is required in Quenya. It is clearly derived from the root √UL “pour (out), flow” (WJ/400; PE17/168) and it seems that its primitive form originally meant “pour” (PE22/133), but elsewhere Tolkien gave the Quenya verb for “pour, flow” as ulya- (Ety/ULU).

Conceptual Development: In the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s, the verb for “it rains” was (3rd-singular) ᴱQ. uqin from the early root ᴱ√UQU “wet” (QL/98). This verb reappeared as uqe or úqe “it rains” in the Early Qenya Grammar of the 1920s, having become an impersonal verb (PE14/56, 85). Another impersonal verb for “to rain” appeared in the Quenya Verbal System (QVS) from 1948: ᴹQ. kelya “(it) sends running down = it rains” from the root √KEL (PE22/114). The form uluva mentioned above appeared in Late Notes on Verbs from 1969 (PE22/167).

Neo-Eldarin: Based on attested forms I would limit ul- for “rain” as an impersonal verb only, and for “pour” would use ulya-. Interestingly, the Noldorin word for “rain” is eil [ᴺS. uil] from ᴹ✶ulyā-, so I think Quenya and Sindarin/Noldorin made different choices for which ancient verb became impersonal “rain”.

ulo

noun. rain

Quenya [PE 22:167] Group: Mellonath Daeron. Published by

ulo

noun. rain

A noun for “rain” in Late Notes on Verbs from 1969 given as {ulla >>} ulo in the phrase ulo úva “rain (unwelcome) is coming”, clearly related to the impersonal verb ul- “to rain” appearing in its future form on the same page: uluva “it will rain” (PE22/167).

Conceptual Development: In the Qenya Lexicon of the 1910s, the noun for “rain” was ᴱQ. úqil, likewise related to the contemporaneous verb ᴱQ. uqin “it rains” (QL/98).

ára

dawn

ára noun "dawn" (AR1). According to VT45:6, ára is also the name of the long vowel carrier of the Tengwar system; it would be the first letter of the word ára if spelt in Tengwar.

Noldorin 

rhoss

noun. rain

Noldorin [Ety/ROS¹] Group: Eldamo. Published by

rhoss

noun. rain

Noldorin [Ety/384, X/RH] Group: SINDICT. Published by

eil-

verb. to rain

An impersonal verb appearing as N. eil “it is raining” in The Etymologies of the 1930s derived from primitive ᴹ✶ulyā- (> œil > eil) under the root ᴹ√ULU “pour, flow” (Ety/ULU; EtyAC/ULU). This verb is abnormal in that its final a disappeared rather than surviving as it usually did for derived verbs, giving eil rather than ✱elia-, ✱eilia- or ✱eila-. However, as an impersonal verb there would never be any pronominal suffix to help preserve the final a by analogy, which explains the vowel loss.

Conceptual Development: The verb for “rain” in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s was G. ubra-, probably related to G. ub “wet, moist, damp” (GL/74).

Neo-Sindarin: In Sindarin, the likely development of primitive ✶ulyā would be to ✱oly(a) > ᴺS. uil “it rains”; I believe this form was first suggested by Helge Fauskanger in his Parviphith Edhellen wordlist. Compare ᴺS. uil to: S. ruin “fiery red” < (perhaps) ✱runyā and S. fuir “north” < (perhaps) ✱phoryā, and see the entry on how [[s|[œi] became [ui] or [y]]] for further discussion. Any inflected forms would probably restore the stem, such as (hypothetical) intransitive past and future forms ✱eilias “it rained” and ✱eiliatha “it will rain”).

Noldorin [Ety/ULU; EtyAC/ULU] Group: Eldamo. Published by

gwing

noun. spindrift, flying spray

Noldorin [Ety/398, PM/392] Group: SINDICT. Published by

gwing

noun. foam (properly a flying spume or spindrift blown off wavetops)

Noldorin [Ety/398, PM/392] Group: SINDICT. Published by

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Middle Primitive Elvish

ros

root. *plain

An unglossed root in The Etymologies of the 1930s with the derivative Ilk. rost “plain, wide land between mountains”, an element in the names Ilk. Nivrost “West Vale” and Ilk. Radhrost “East Vale” (Ety/ROS²). In later versions of The Silmarillion these names became S. Nevrast “Hither Shore” (S/119) and S. Talath Rhúnen “East Vale” (S/124), making it likely that ᴹ√ROS “✱plain” was abandoned.

Middle Primitive Elvish [Ety/NIB; Ety/RAD; Ety/ROS²] Group: Eldamo. Published by

ros

root. distil, drip

Middle Primitive Elvish [Ety/ROS¹; Ety/RUS] Group: Eldamo. Published by

phal

root. foam

Middle Primitive Elvish [Ety/NYEL; Ety/PHAL; Ety/SPAL; EtyAC/SPAL] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Early Primitive Elvish

ros-sá

adjective. ros-sá

Early Primitive Elvish [PE13/137] Group: Eldamo. Published by

amba-ros-sa

adjective. amba-ros-sa

Early Primitive Elvish [PE13/159] Group: Eldamo. Published by

naða

root. *plain

Early Primitive Elvish [LT1A/Nandini; QL/064] Group: Eldamo. Published by

ukko

noun. rain

Early Primitive Elvish [GL/74] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Gnomish

am(b)ros(t)

noun. dawn

Gnomish [GL/19; PE13/110; PE13/114] Group: Eldamo. Published by

haurost

noun. dawn

Gnomish [GL/20; LT1A/Ûr; PE13/114] Group: Eldamo. Published by

pibinaith(ros)

noun. hawthorn

A word for “hawthorn” in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s, apparently a combination of G. pibin “small berry, haw” and a variant of G. aithos “thorn bush” (GL/64). Another word of “hawthorn” in this document was G. tadhos (GL/68).

amrost

noun. dawn

aurost

noun. dawn

pinaithros

noun. hawthorn

noss

noun. rain

noth

noun. rain

osp(a)

noun. foam

A noun “foam” in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s with variants osp and ospa (GL/63), probably derived from the root ᴱ√Palas (QL/72).

tadhos

noun. hawthorn

A noun appearing as G. tadhos “hawthorn” in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s, an elaboration of G. tath (tadh-) “hedge” based on the early root ᴱ√tadh- (GL/68).

Neo-Sindarin: I would retain ᴺS. tadhos “hawthorn” based on an updated Neo-Root ᴺ√TAD “enclosure”; see that entry for details.

ubra-

verb. to rain

uch

noun. rain

A noun for “rain” in the Gnomish Lexicon of the 1910s derived from primitive ᴱ✶ukko (GL/74), probably based on the early root ᴱ√UQU “wet” which had derivatives like ᴱQ. ukku “rainbow” (QL/98).

Early Noldorin

galad

noun. dawn

Early Noldorin [PE13/144] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Early Quenya

falmo

noun. foam

Early Quenya [LT1A/Falman; QL/037] Group: Eldamo. Published by

hoiye

noun. foam

A noun in Early Qenya Word-lists of the 1920s glossed “foam” (PE16/136). Its etymology is unclear.

Early Quenya [PE16/136] Group: Eldamo. Published by

nehta

noun. hawthorn

Early Quenya [PE16/140] Group: Eldamo. Published by

tarasse

noun. hawthorn

Early Quenya [PME/087; QL/087; VT40/08] Group: Eldamo. Published by

uilosse

noun. foam

A (rejected) noun in Early Qenya Word-lists of the 1920s glossed “foam” (PE16/139). Its etymology is unclear.

Early Quenya [PE16/139] Group: Eldamo. Published by

uqis

noun. rain

uqu-

verb. to rain

Early Quenya [PE14/056; PE14/085; QL/098] Group: Eldamo. Published by

úqil

noun. rain

Early Quenya [QL/098] Group: Eldamo. Published by

Qenya 

falle

noun. foam

A noun in The Etymologies of the 1930s glossed “foam” derived from the root ᴹ√PHAL of the same meaning (Ety/PHAL).